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Colonel Akel Hashem, the tough-talking western brigade commander
                
of the South Lebanese Army (SLA), is a leading candidate to succeed
                
General Antoine Lahad. In a wide-ranging interview Hashem tells why
                    
he thinks Israel should bomb Syrian bases and blames Israeli
                           
democracy for IDF and SLA failures in Lebanon
 
By Ronen Bergman
                    
Twenty-three years of close cooperation with Israel have
                    
taught Colonel Akel Hashem a lot about Israelis. His
                    
Hebrew is fluent, he is well-versed in Israel's political
                    
intrigues, and he even has an opinion as to which is the
                    
best French restaurant in Tel Aviv. He's also become
                    
proficient at hiding his feelings behind a smile, a smile that
                    
remains on his face even in difficult moments. Once, in the
                    
course of an elegant luncheon organized for him and
                    
Brigadier General Giora Inbar (then commander of Yakal,
                    
the South Lebanon liaison unit), Hashem was informed of
                    
the death of an SLA soldier. He stopped eating and was
                    
quiet for a moment, then went right back to telling jokes to
                    
his companions.
                    
Colonel Akel Hashem is the commander of the SLA's
                    
western brigade and chief of the Mabat intelligence service
                    
in South Lebanon (the name is an acronym for mangenon
                    
ha'bitachon). For several years now, Israeli observers have
                    
been predicting that SLA commander General Antoine
                    
Lahad will soon retire and that a battle to succeed him will
                    
ensue. Hashem is said to view himself as the natural
                    
candidate to inherit the commander's position, supposedly
                    
envisioning himself ensconced in Lahad's well-appointed
                    
office in Marj Ayoun. Hashem denies the rumors. He says
                    
the matter doesn't concern him at all, and he turns the
                    
conversation to what he considers a much more pressing
                    
topic - the Israeli withdrawal from Lebanon.
                    
"If it is accompanied by a peace agreement that preserves
                    
the honor of SLA soldiers, annuls all the court verdicts
                    
handed down against us in Beirut (Hashem and other
                    
senior SLA officials have been sentenced to death in
                    
absentia), incorporates the SLA into the Lebanese Army,
                    
preserves the dignity of the residents of southern Lebanon
                    
and removes all foreign forces from my country, then why
                    
not!? Of course, I'd be in favor," he exclaims.
                    
Hashem says, however, that Syria will not make such a
                    
solution possible, and that it won't rein in the Hezbollah.
                    
"Heavy bombing of the Syrian bases is the only thing that
                    
will convince them to control the Hezbollah. Meanwhile,
                    
they're only profiting from their presence in Lebanon. By the
                    
way, what I'm proposing for the Syrians also goes for the
                    
residents of the villages from which this organization
                    
operates. If it were up to me, I'd distribute flyers warning that
                    
we'll hold the residents responsible the next time Hezbollah
                    
operates from within their village and that if it happens
                    
again, we'll fire on the village. This is not an easy thing to
                    
say or to do, but it's for everybody's good. Once or twice,
                    
and they'll learn, and chase Hezbollah out."
What is the response to your ideas in Israel?
                    
Hashem (angrily): "They didn't accept them. Ask your
                    
government and your army why."
                    
Basically, what we have here are Lebanese fighting other
                    
Lebanese. After such a bitter confrontation, how can you
                    
ever live together in peace in the same country?
                    
"I'm not sure that's the right way to describe the situation.
                    
The identity cards of the Hezbollah men may say that
                    
they're Lebanese, but, essentially, they're emissaries of Iran
                    
- receiving money, weapons and instructions from the
                    
Iranians, and not true Lebanese fighting for the good of their
                    
country."
                    
Hezbollah would say the exact same thing about you. They
                    
would say that you're a tool in the hands of Israel and that
                    
you're not a Lebanese patriot.
                    
"That is what they would say. It's also true that I am
                    
collaborating with Israel, but only in order to protect my
                    
villages. You say my enemy has changed since the 1970s
                    
and I say to you that it is precisely the same enemy, just
                    
with a different name. [Hezbollah leader] Hassan Nasrallah
                    
was a communist before he decided to return to the faith
                    
and train with the Palestinians. Many other senior
                    
Hezbollah officials are just like him. When they were on the
                    
PLO's side and fought against Lebanon, I defended my
                    
home and my villages. So you tell me who's a patriot and
                    
who's not."
 
                    
Akel Hashem, 47, was born in the southern Lebanese
                    
village of Dibel to a family of farmers. In 1970, he enlisted in
                    
the Lebanese Army. He served in different positions in the
                    
infantry and was later posted to the intelligence branch
                    
division dealing with illegal domestic organizations.
                    
When the Lebanese civil war broke out in 1976, Hashem
                    
was one of a force of 600 fighters who went to southern
                    
Lebanon to protect their families at home. He and his
                    
friends brought their weapons and posted themselves at
                    
their home villages. The enemies then were the
                    
Palestinians from the PLO who were seeking to establish a
                    
canton of their own in southern Lebanon. Hashem is not
                    
fond of the Palestinians. To this day, in conversations with
                    
associates, he uses the Arabic word kirahiya (strong
                    
hatred) to describe his feelings toward them. "They wanted
                    
to come into our villages in order to fire on Israel from them.
                    
We didn't want to become targets for IDF guns. We
                    
defended the villages with everything we had. The
                    
Palestinians imposed a harsh siege on us. For four months,
                    
we were almost completely cut off from supplies, while they
                    
were trying to kill us at every opportunity."
                    
In June 1976, the Lebanese Army appointed Major Sa'ad
                    
Hadad senior commander in the southern region of
                    
Lebanon, and he asked for the army's help in the war
                    
against the Palestinians. In 1979, the Lebanese Army
                    
stopped paying the salaries of the renegades in the south.
                    
Hadad, with the enthusiastic support of his men (led by
                    
Hashem), announced that he was breaking off from the
                    
central government and founding "The Free Lebanese
                    
Army," which, in time, came to be known as the SLA.
                    
When Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982, Hadad's forces
                    
provided some assistance to the IDF. Hashem, who was
                    
then in the Free Lebanese Army's intelligence branch, says
                    
he worked on various intelligence assignments for Israel in
                    
the Tyre area. Hadad died of cancer in 1984. Israel brought
                    
in General Antoine Lahad, who had retired from the
                    
Lebanese Army, to replace him. Rumor had it that Hashem
                    
and other senior SLA personnel were not pleased with this
                    
choice, believing that someone from their own ranks was
                    
capable of commanding the militia. Hashem denies this
                    
version of events; he professes to have an excellent
                    
relationship with the general and says he holds him in very
                    
high esteem: "I know him from back when he was a private
                    
in the Lebanese Army. He's a person with a lot of
                    
experience and good judgment." After assuming his
                    
position, Lahad instituted reforms, organizing the units into
                    
the western brigade, the eastern brigade, the intelligence
                    
service and command. Since 1985, Hashem has served as
                    
commander of the western brigade.
                    
Hashem and his wife Lia have five children. Rita, 23, is
                    
planning to marry soon and lives in southern Lebanon.
                    
Daughter Udin, 20, also lives in southern Lebanon. Elias
                    
will soon turn 18. He recently completed a preparatory year
                    
at one of Israel's top universities and has been accepted for
                    
regular studies in a highly competitive department. He lives
                    
near that university. George is 16 and Chantal, 8, goes to a
                    
convent school. The Hashem family spends a large part of
                    
its limited leisure time in Israel, especially in Tiberias.
                    
Directly under General Lahad are three colonels - eastern
                    
brigade commander Nabih Rifa', western brigade
                    
commander Hashem and deputy SLA commander,
                    
Kamallah Sa'id. The SLA today numbers approximately
                    
2,300 soldiers. Hashem says he has had to turn away
                    
many residents of South Lebanon who wished to enlist.
                    
"Last year, in spite of all the talk about a withdrawal and in
                    
spite of the harm that your democracy is causing you and
                    
us, there was an increase in the number of people wishing
                    
to join the SLA. I had to say no to most of them."
                    
Shi'ite soldiers were first inducted into the SLA in 1988;
                    
today they make up 30 percent of the army. In Hashem's
                    
western brigade, 50 percent of the soldiers are Christian
                    
and 50 percent are Muslim, both Shi'ite and Sunni. Eastern
                    
brigade commander Nabih Rifa' is Druze and his troops are
                    
comprised of a large number of Druze. The Hezbollah and
                    
Amal movements put a lot of pressure on the Shi'ite
                    
soldiers either to desert from the SLA and come over to
                    
them, or to work as their agents inside the SLA.
                    
If you were an 18-year-old Shi'ite, eager to join the army
                    
and wanting to defend your homeland - wouldn't Hezbollah
                    
seem to be a reasonable choice?
                    
"Not every Muslim or every Shi'ite is Hezbollah and Amal.
                    
Sometimes, the line passes down the middle of one family.
                    
I was once present at an encounter in Kfar 'Aytaroun.
                    
Deputy unit commander Abdel Karim Mansur was leading
                    
the force. We killed three terrorists. After we got to the
                    
bodies of the terrorists, he gave the order to fire. Someone
                    
was killed in the first volley. When Mansur came closer and
                    
saw the [dead man's] face, he saw that he had mowed
                    
down his cousin. I asked Mansur if he would have pulled
                    
the trigger had he known whom he was shooting at. He
                    
answered in the affirmative - without any hesitation."
                    
But some of your soldiers have deserted to Hezbollah, and
                    
in Israel, some claim that a lot of information is flowing from
                    
the SLA to the terrorist organizations.
                    
"A very small number of soldiers deserted to Hezbollah. It
                    
happens in every army. By the way, many soldiers from the
                    
Lebanese Army have enlisted with us. Last year, only three
                    
soldiers from my brigade deserted. Three out of a thousand.
                    
That's nothing. And they didn't even take their weapons."
How many soldiers are there in Hezbollah today?
                    
"The number has gone down recently. They let a lot of
                    
people go because of money problems. They don't have
                    
more than 1,500 men. A regular soldier in Hezbollah earns
                    
from $200-400 a month and receives additional assistance
                    
for his family."
                    
While Ehud Barak is indicating clearly that the historic
                    
alliance with the Lebanese Christians will soon come to an
                    
end, the IDF recently inaugurated a new SLA post in South
                    
Lebanon and raised its soldiers' salaries. At present, a
                    
private serving on the front line makes $500 a month.
                    
Others earn $380 a month. With each year of seniority and
                    
each increase in rank, the salary goes up by $10 a month.
                    
Also, relatives of SLA soldiers are usually the ones to
                    
receive a permit to work in Israel - a significant economic
                    
bonus. SLA men also may receive permission to visit Israel
                    
with their families - trips that usually include shopping in
                    
Haifa or Nahariya, or a visit to an amusement park or
                    
cinema.
                    
The way things are depicted in the media, we appear to be
                    
losing the war against Hezbollah terror.
                    
"I don't think that we're losing. It's very tough. You've got a
                    
regular army facing small terrorist cells, and army posts and
                    
convoys up against ambushes and roadside bombs.
                    
Nevertheless, we've recently prevented dozens of terrorist
                    
actions in our area. We found that 95 percent of all the
                    
terrorist activity in the past year was long-range shooting,
                    
usually from inside villages near Lebanese Army and
                    
United Nations posts. This means that we've learned their
                    
methods and access routes and they're not managing to
                    
penetrate inside."
                    
In Israeli intelligence, they say that neither they nor you are
                    
successfully recruiting serious agents from within
                    
Hezbollah.
                    
"It's incorrect to paint the Hezbollah as a group of fanatics
                    
who could never be persuaded to collaborate. We have two
                    
problems nowadays. The first is the Lebanese government,
                    
which is assisting Hezbollah and using trials and death
                    
sentences to scare anyone who even thinks about
                    
cooperating with us. The second problem is the Israeli
                    
media. Write this down: Israeli democracy is what killed the
                    
IDF and the SLA in Lebanon - much more than Hezbollah
                    
and Syria and the Lebanese government combined.
                    
Obviously, if your newspapers constantly talk about
                    
withdrawal, it will have an adverse effect on our soldiers
                    
and on our ability to recruit agents. People that I want to
                    
press into cooperating laugh in my face. They say, 'What
                    
will we get out of it? Anyway, the Israelis won't be here in
                    
another year.' You have to understand that all around you
                    
are dictatorships. Democracy is terrific, but you shouldn't
                    
talk so freely all the time about what you're planning to do."
                    
If you were [Israeli Chief of Staff] Shaul Mofaz, what would
                    
you do from a military standpoint - withdraw the IDF to the
                    
international border, or stay in Lebanon and remain
                    
exposed to Hezbollah terror attacks?
                    
"I knew Shaul Mofaz when he was a colonel. We have a
                    
long history together. If I were Shaul Mofaz, I would ask
                    
myself - What about the 150,000 people who cooperated
                    
with Israel over the past 23 years? If the Jewish nation,
                    
which suffered so much, is ready to throw away the people
                    
who helped it, and who paid with their blood - a lot of blood
                    
- for it, then I say, from the military standpoint, the
                    
international border is the right solution. The IDF can
                    
withdraw. In such a situation, it would be very easy for
                    
Mofaz to order that every time the north is fired upon from
                    
inside a village, that village should be taken out.
                    
"Everyone says you have to kill the head of the snake. But
                    
we know where the head is - in Beirut and in the Bekaa.
                    
That's where you find the people who are propelling the
                    
terrorists to attack Israel and the SLA. Besides responding
                    
with artillery to every shelling, you have to know how to
                    
take care of Nasrallah and his dirty friends in Beirut. You
                    
also have to remember that Hezbollah and Iran don't want
                    
Lebanon. They know they won't be able to establish an
                    
Islamic state here. They say openly that their objective
                    
doesn't stop at the border fence. They want Jerusalem."
                    
Asked if he can't find a good word to say about Hezbollah's
                    
professional capability, Hashem initially grimaces and
                    
curses, but then relents and mentions Ali Dib, who died in a
                    
car bomb explosion several months ago, and Khalil Harb,
                    
Hezbollah's commander in South Lebanon and Hashem's
                    
declared enemy.
                    
Khalil Harb was trained in Iran and is the man behind the
                    
Hezbollah blitz on SLA posts. After his men killed SLA
                    
security service commander Hussein Abdel Nabi, Hashem
                    
became Hezbollah's number one target, after (some would
                    
argue, before) General Lahad. In January 1995, one of
                    
Khalil Harb's men detonated a powerful bomb at a
                    
pharmacy where Hashem had gone to buy some eye drops
                    
for one of his daughters. Four people standing near him
                    
were killed. Hashem escaped without a scratch. Ever since,
                    
Hashem has been provided with heavy 24-hour security by
                    
people from Mabat. "Everything is from God," says
                    
Hashem.
                    
Despite his harsh criticism of Israel, Hashem is careful not
                    
to disparage Ehud Barak: "I've never heard Barak - or
                    
anyone else important in the defense establishment - talk
                    
about a withdrawal without an arrangement. I'm sure that
                    
Barak will not abandon his Christian allies and that he will
                    
not accept any agreement that does not include a just and
                    
honorable solution for the residents of the south."
                    
Some in Israel claim that all that really needs to be done to
                    
solve the problem is to set up 500 families of senior SLA
                    
people and others identified with the Israelis inside the
                    
Green Line.
                    
"First of all, it's not 500 families, but 3,000 or more. Aside
                    
from that, as long as I'm alive, there's no way that I'll look for
                    
'rehabilitation' (shikum), as you call it, in Israel. I'm not one
                    
of your 'collaborators' from Gaza. I'm not willing to be
                    
treated that way and I'm not ready to let happen to me what
                    
happened to them. I'm staying here - until the final drop of
                    
blood."
What do you think of The Four Mothers organization?
                    
"I definitely understand them. Obviously, every mother
                    
wants her son to be near her, to get a good job and not to
                    
go to war. It's completely natural. On the other hand, if
                    
everyone stays back, who will defend the border? The sons
                    
of these mothers give Israel peace.".
                             
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